Global Hotelier Forum: Who are we? - Global Hotelier Forum

Hi. I find myself in a bit of a rut sometimes when having to fill out forms or having to explain my profession to people. If I studied hotel management, then that makes me a hotelier right? If it is Culinary arts, then I must be a chef. Now, what do we who studied hospitality management call ourselves? Hospitlaity managers? Ugh! Your contributions will be most appreciated. Regards, Bee

Hi, I am not sure what the right word will be, but I can suggest we can call ourselves "Professional Service Manager (PSM) or Executive Service Manager (ESM) . Regards, Regul

if you study management you dont call yourself hoteliers...Hoteliers really are people with either a long history of senior management positions or even own hotels.. If you study management and you enter into the field of your profession you call yourself what the position is...otherwise you are either a student (hotel or hospitality student) or a post graduate or the position you may have (either trainee or whatever).. cheers

you cant call urselves managers unless you have the title already from one hotel you are working at! you can be graduates or students if you dont have any experience cheers!~

The responses like the ones ad and Groupgm gave, are respones I come across a lot. Nothing but respect for the both of you, by reading your posts on this forum, I know you have a lot of experience and are very knowledgeable about the business. But it is not very encouraging to study hard for a certain amount of years, and then come across more 'old-school' seniors that will say to you: you're not a manager, you're a post-graduate. You can only be a manager when you're more experienced. I'm not saying that only study cuts it (cause it definitely doesn't) but only experience doesn't cut it anymore either. How many of us have not been held back by superiors thinking that way and therefor not giving us a chance to promote because we're not experienced enough? Whether we're capable or not, for them it's the years in the field that count. Anyway, that was a little off-topic. Sorry for that! And Bee, why don't you just fill in the position you have? E.g. you're a management trainee, you fill that in. You're a F&B manager, you fill that in. Not really difficult...

Dutchie... Yes, maybe we have been around for a while and have come across your type a lot too...You are not reading what we write...we dont say that you cant become a hotelier once you have studied and gotten experience under your belt...the question was...and read it again..."what can she call herself?'...and my and group gm's reply was that you dont call yourself a 'hotelier', you call yourself whatever your position is...and even you suggest the same...whats your problem here? Read and understand the answers before insinuating that we 'older' guys' dont know what we are saying.. but getting a manager position right from school is rather impossible and not even advisable, as you lack practical and leadership experience... cheers

No-one mentioned having a problem... I certainly for one have none. One thing we should not get into in my opinion is generalizing. I don't agree with you that it's impossible for someone to get right out of school and obtain a management position. I'm obviously not talking EM here, but outlet managment or something along that lines is absolutely possible. Who says that I don't have experience when I come right out of school? I for one had 5 years of restaurant experience in different types of restaurants/hotels in different positions. Combined with my degree, that makes it really possible to obtain such a position. And I'm not the only one in the world. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely realize that I have a long, long way to go. And I'd love to learn from all of you. Cause that's what 'my type' does... Anyway, I mentioned in my previous post that this was rather off topic, so I'm gonna leave things at this. I didn't mean to attack you or anything and I do apologize if my post came across like that. But, I do think it's an interesting discussion to have some day!

We are Hotel Employees... Titles are just our duties, responsibilites, experiences and seniority. Cheers, let's grab a beer and enjoy our work...