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We had a conversation recently during one of our training courses, but couldn't really agree on either one with a majority. What is your opinion; are leaders born or made?
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Leaders - Born Or Made? Your opinion
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Posted 03 February 2012 - 04:23 AM
Hi
you need the personality to convince people and you need experiences from mistakes
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you need the personality to convince people and you need experiences from mistakes
best regards
expat
Esooch, on 03 February 2012 - 04:20 AM, said:
Dear Colleagues
Greetings!
We had a conversation recently during one of our training courses, but couldn't really agree on either one with a majority. What is your opinion; are leaders born or made?
Thank you,
Esooch
Greetings!
We had a conversation recently during one of our training courses, but couldn't really agree on either one with a majority. What is your opinion; are leaders born or made?
Thank you,
Esooch
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Posted 03 February 2012 - 05:09 AM
Managers can be made.
Leaders do have certain qualities like empathy, genuine care, compassion that one has to have before hand.
If one feels the need for followers better stay a manager.
I would say no you can not make a leader.
Leaders do have certain qualities like empathy, genuine care, compassion that one has to have before hand.
If one feels the need for followers better stay a manager.
I would say no you can not make a leader.
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Posted 03 February 2012 - 09:55 PM
For me:
Leaders are born like everyone else.
They learn from their life experiences to channel their innate abilities (some people say God-given) to lead people (whether they want to be lead, need to be lead or simply cannot lead themselves), to achieve set goals and directives, throughout and for their own personal and professional lives.
Leaders are not always altruistic. Some are rather nasty cretins, all dictators past and present.
The crux of the question involves education, or rather lack thereof.
When does the leader become a facist?
Leaders are born like everyone else.
They learn from their life experiences to channel their innate abilities (some people say God-given) to lead people (whether they want to be lead, need to be lead or simply cannot lead themselves), to achieve set goals and directives, throughout and for their own personal and professional lives.
Leaders are not always altruistic. Some are rather nasty cretins, all dictators past and present.
The crux of the question involves education, or rather lack thereof.
When does the leader become a facist?
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Posted 04 February 2012 - 08:31 AM
Hi AinV
who decides,if a person is a Dictator or a Leader? the historians,which are paid from the successor,usually decide this,which is not always correct
best regards
expat
who decides,if a person is a Dictator or a Leader? the historians,which are paid from the successor,usually decide this,which is not always correct
best regards
expat
AinV, on 03 February 2012 - 09:55 PM, said:
For me:
Leaders are born like everyone else.
They learn from their life experiences to channel their innate abilities (some people say God-given) to lead people (whether they want to be lead, need to be lead or simply cannot lead themselves), to achieve set goals and directives, throughout and for their own personal and professional lives.
Leaders are not always altruistic. Some are rather nasty cretins, all dictators past and present.
The crux of the question involves education, or rather lack thereof.
When does the leader become a facist?
Leaders are born like everyone else.
They learn from their life experiences to channel their innate abilities (some people say God-given) to lead people (whether they want to be lead, need to be lead or simply cannot lead themselves), to achieve set goals and directives, throughout and for their own personal and professional lives.
Leaders are not always altruistic. Some are rather nasty cretins, all dictators past and present.
The crux of the question involves education, or rather lack thereof.
When does the leader become a facist?
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Posted 04 February 2012 - 03:21 PM
...answer the poster's question! This is my thought not a ruling!
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Posted 04 February 2012 - 03:57 PM
I did,see above
best regards
expat
best regards
expat
AinV, on 04 February 2012 - 03:21 PM, said:
...answer the poster's question! This is my thought not a ruling!
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 01:15 AM
Oh you said the same as me...
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 11:36 AM
For centuries people have debated whether leaders are born or made. Several decades ago researchers started trying to answer the question. The debate goes on, even though we know the answer.
It turns out to be a little of both. Leaders are sort of born and they're always made. Knowing the details will help you develop effective leaders.
It seems like there's only one thing that a person needs to actually be born with in order to be a leader later in life. That's intelligence. A leader needs to be smart enough.
Effective leaders aren't necessarily the smartest people in the room or the company or even on the team. But they have to be smart enough to do the job they're assigned.
What's more important is what kind of person the potential leader is when he or she becomes an adult. The person who emerges from adolescence into young adulthood has the psychological and character traits they'll demonstrate for the rest of their life. Some of those matter for leadership.
By the time a person becomes an adult we can tell if they can help other people achieve results. That, after all, is what we expect leaders to do. We expect them to achieve success through a group. We expect them to help their subordinates grow and develop.
By the time a person becomes an adult, we can tell if they want to achieve objectives or if they just want to go along and take it easy. We expect leaders to be responsible for achieving results. You can have a marvelous life without a results focus, but if you're going to lead successfully you have to have the drive and willingness to be measured by the results of your leadership.
By the time a person becomes an adult, we can tell if they are willing to make decisions or not. Lots of people wake up every day and let the world happen to them. But leaders must be able and willing to make decisions that affect themselves and others.
By the time a person becomes an adult we can tell if they have the basic qualities that we expect leaders to have. We can determine if they're smart enough to do the job. We can tell if they are willing to help others to achieve results as a group. And we can tell if they will make decisions.
Those things are essential. People who have them can learn the multiple skills it takes for them to become effective leaders.
No matter how they measure up on the key essentials, no one emerges from the womb or from adolescence with all the skills in place to be an effective leader. Everybody has to learn the job. That's why leaders are always made.
Christopher Hartley FIH
It turns out to be a little of both. Leaders are sort of born and they're always made. Knowing the details will help you develop effective leaders.
It seems like there's only one thing that a person needs to actually be born with in order to be a leader later in life. That's intelligence. A leader needs to be smart enough.
Effective leaders aren't necessarily the smartest people in the room or the company or even on the team. But they have to be smart enough to do the job they're assigned.
What's more important is what kind of person the potential leader is when he or she becomes an adult. The person who emerges from adolescence into young adulthood has the psychological and character traits they'll demonstrate for the rest of their life. Some of those matter for leadership.
By the time a person becomes an adult we can tell if they can help other people achieve results. That, after all, is what we expect leaders to do. We expect them to achieve success through a group. We expect them to help their subordinates grow and develop.
By the time a person becomes an adult, we can tell if they want to achieve objectives or if they just want to go along and take it easy. We expect leaders to be responsible for achieving results. You can have a marvelous life without a results focus, but if you're going to lead successfully you have to have the drive and willingness to be measured by the results of your leadership.
By the time a person becomes an adult, we can tell if they are willing to make decisions or not. Lots of people wake up every day and let the world happen to them. But leaders must be able and willing to make decisions that affect themselves and others.
By the time a person becomes an adult we can tell if they have the basic qualities that we expect leaders to have. We can determine if they're smart enough to do the job. We can tell if they are willing to help others to achieve results as a group. And we can tell if they will make decisions.
Those things are essential. People who have them can learn the multiple skills it takes for them to become effective leaders.
No matter how they measure up on the key essentials, no one emerges from the womb or from adolescence with all the skills in place to be an effective leader. Everybody has to learn the job. That's why leaders are always made.
Christopher Hartley FIH
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 04:02 PM
Wow, everyone agrees...no fun!
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Posted 06 February 2012 - 09:45 AM
Hi
no,I didnt,this was the reason for the above question
best regards
expat
no,I didnt,this was the reason for the above question
best regards
expat
AinV, on 05 February 2012 - 01:15 AM, said:
Oh you said the same as me...
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Posted 06 February 2012 - 10:03 AM
Dear Mr Hartle
here I fully agree, but like to add,that only experiences and most important the handling of own decisions and their results,will show in the end, what kind of leader you have
there are a lot leaders which try to sneak out of bad decisions by delegation the results
best regards
expat
here I fully agree, but like to add,that only experiences and most important the handling of own decisions and their results,will show in the end, what kind of leader you have
there are a lot leaders which try to sneak out of bad decisions by delegation the results
best regards
expat
ChristopherHartley, on 05 February 2012 - 11:36 AM, said:
For centuries people have debated whether leaders are born or made. Several decades ago researchers started trying to answer the question. The debate goes on, even though we know the answer.
It turns out to be a little of both. Leaders are sort of born and they're always made. Knowing the details will help you develop effective leaders.
It seems like there's only one thing that a person needs to actually be born with in order to be a leader later in life. That's intelligence. A leader needs to be smart enough.
Effective leaders aren't necessarily the smartest people in the room or the company or even on the team. But they have to be smart enough to do the job they're assigned.
What's more important is what kind of person the potential leader is when he or she becomes an adult. The person who emerges from adolescence into young adulthood has the psychological and character traits they'll demonstrate for the rest of their life. Some of those matter for leadership.
By the time a person becomes an adult we can tell if they can help other people achieve results. That, after all, is what we expect leaders to do. We expect them to achieve success through a group. We expect them to help their subordinates grow and develop.
By the time a person becomes an adult, we can tell if they want to achieve objectives or if they just want to go along and take it easy. We expect leaders to be responsible for achieving results. You can have a marvelous life without a results focus, but if you're going to lead successfully you have to have the drive and willingness to be measured by the results of your leadership.
By the time a person becomes an adult, we can tell if they are willing to make decisions or not. Lots of people wake up every day and let the world happen to them. But leaders must be able and willing to make decisions that affect themselves and others.
By the time a person becomes an adult we can tell if they have the basic qualities that we expect leaders to have. We can determine if they're smart enough to do the job. We can tell if they are willing to help others to achieve results as a group. And we can tell if they will make decisions.
Those things are essential. People who have them can learn the multiple skills it takes for them to become effective leaders.
No matter how they measure up on the key essentials, no one emerges from the womb or from adolescence with all the skills in place to be an effective leader. Everybody has to learn the job. That's why leaders are always made.
Christopher Hartley FIH
It turns out to be a little of both. Leaders are sort of born and they're always made. Knowing the details will help you develop effective leaders.
It seems like there's only one thing that a person needs to actually be born with in order to be a leader later in life. That's intelligence. A leader needs to be smart enough.
Effective leaders aren't necessarily the smartest people in the room or the company or even on the team. But they have to be smart enough to do the job they're assigned.
What's more important is what kind of person the potential leader is when he or she becomes an adult. The person who emerges from adolescence into young adulthood has the psychological and character traits they'll demonstrate for the rest of their life. Some of those matter for leadership.
By the time a person becomes an adult we can tell if they can help other people achieve results. That, after all, is what we expect leaders to do. We expect them to achieve success through a group. We expect them to help their subordinates grow and develop.
By the time a person becomes an adult, we can tell if they want to achieve objectives or if they just want to go along and take it easy. We expect leaders to be responsible for achieving results. You can have a marvelous life without a results focus, but if you're going to lead successfully you have to have the drive and willingness to be measured by the results of your leadership.
By the time a person becomes an adult, we can tell if they are willing to make decisions or not. Lots of people wake up every day and let the world happen to them. But leaders must be able and willing to make decisions that affect themselves and others.
By the time a person becomes an adult we can tell if they have the basic qualities that we expect leaders to have. We can determine if they're smart enough to do the job. We can tell if they are willing to help others to achieve results as a group. And we can tell if they will make decisions.
Those things are essential. People who have them can learn the multiple skills it takes for them to become effective leaders.
No matter how they measure up on the key essentials, no one emerges from the womb or from adolescence with all the skills in place to be an effective leader. Everybody has to learn the job. That's why leaders are always made.
Christopher Hartley FIH
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Posted 07 February 2012 - 09:53 AM
Thank you Christopher, for your very detailed reply. Very interesting indeed!
However, could you please elaborate a little on the following statements, which you made:
1.) Can you name some of the psychological and character traits that matter for leaders?
2.) What are the basic qualities that we expect leaders to have?
Thank you,
E
However, could you please elaborate a little on the following statements, which you made:
1.) Can you name some of the psychological and character traits that matter for leaders?
2.) What are the basic qualities that we expect leaders to have?
Thank you,
E
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Posted 07 February 2012 - 10:35 AM
Esooch, on 07 February 2012 - 09:53 AM, said:
Thank you Christopher, for your very detailed reply. Very interesting indeed!
However, could you please elaborate a little on the following statements, which you made:
1.) Can you name some of the psychological and character traits that matter for leaders?
2.) What are the basic qualities that we expect leaders to have?
Thank you,
E
However, could you please elaborate a little on the following statements, which you made:
1.) Can you name some of the psychological and character traits that matter for leaders?
2.) What are the basic qualities that we expect leaders to have?
Thank you,
E
Dear Esooch,
I would say that the psychological and character traits would be:
The will to succeed
Able to work well under stress
Be fair to all your staff and listen with feelings to any problems they may have,
To have a good appearance and dress sense.
To remain calm under certain situations.
There are of course many, many more.
The basic qualities I would expect would be:
Thorough knowledge of the job.
Do not steal ideas and information from subordinates without thanking them.
Able to lead from the front.
Never say "we did it this way at my previous hotel", that is a different matter and you are in a different place.
Understanding of you staff.
Empathy.
And of course many more.
Best regards
Christopher Hartley FIH
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Posted 07 February 2012 - 02:01 PM
Dear Esooch,
One thing I forgot to state, and is on my web site.
I retired at the end of December last years at 67 , and am back home in Wales. I have been approached by some local private hotels in the area to act as a consultant, to this point I prepared (not yet finished) my own website H4H: www.hartley4hospitality.co.uk, The story I wrote whilst at Failaka Heritage Village appears also on my site, and the last two lines at the end of my story are:
"A real leader has no need to lead - he is content to point the way".
Best regards
Christopher Hartley FIH
One thing I forgot to state, and is on my web site.
I retired at the end of December last years at 67 , and am back home in Wales. I have been approached by some local private hotels in the area to act as a consultant, to this point I prepared (not yet finished) my own website H4H: www.hartley4hospitality.co.uk, The story I wrote whilst at Failaka Heritage Village appears also on my site, and the last two lines at the end of my story are:
"A real leader has no need to lead - he is content to point the way".
Best regards
Christopher Hartley FIH
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Posted 07 February 2012 - 05:48 PM
ChristopherHartley, on 07 February 2012 - 02:01 PM, said:
Dear Esooch,
One thing I forgot to state, and is on my web site.
I retired at the end of December last years at 67 , and am back home in Wales. I have been approached by some local private hotels in the area to act as a consultant, to this point I prepared (not yet finished) my own website H4H: www.hartley4hospitality.co.uk, The story I wrote whilst at Failaka Heritage Village appears also on my site, and the last two lines at the end of my story are:
"A real leader has no need to lead - he is content to point the way".
Best regards
Christopher Hartley FIH
One thing I forgot to state, and is on my web site.
I retired at the end of December last years at 67 , and am back home in Wales. I have been approached by some local private hotels in the area to act as a consultant, to this point I prepared (not yet finished) my own website H4H: www.hartley4hospitality.co.uk, The story I wrote whilst at Failaka Heritage Village appears also on my site, and the last two lines at the end of my story are:
"A real leader has no need to lead - he is content to point the way".
Best regards
Christopher Hartley FIH
(some people have bigger pointers!
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Posted 07 February 2012 - 07:19 PM
Hi
the real interesting point comes,if he points the people in the wrong direction
this can happen all the time,but only a small percentage then real steps in the fire as leaders
delegating the responsibility is then a common practice
best regards
expat
the real interesting point comes,if he points the people in the wrong direction
this can happen all the time,but only a small percentage then real steps in the fire as leaders
delegating the responsibility is then a common practice
best regards
expat
ChristopherHartley, on 07 February 2012 - 02:01 PM, said:
Dear Esooch,
One thing I forgot to state, and is on my web site.
I retired at the end of December last years at 67 , and am back home in Wales. I have been approached by some local private hotels in the area to act as a consultant, to this point I prepared (not yet finished) my own website H4H: www.hartley4hospitality.co.uk, The story I wrote whilst at Failaka Heritage Village appears also on my site, and the last two lines at the end of my story are:
"A real leader has no need to lead - he is content to point the way".
Best regards
Christopher Hartley FIH
One thing I forgot to state, and is on my web site.
I retired at the end of December last years at 67 , and am back home in Wales. I have been approached by some local private hotels in the area to act as a consultant, to this point I prepared (not yet finished) my own website H4H: www.hartley4hospitality.co.uk, The story I wrote whilst at Failaka Heritage Village appears also on my site, and the last two lines at the end of my story are:
"A real leader has no need to lead - he is content to point the way".
Best regards
Christopher Hartley FIH
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Posted 08 February 2012 - 08:12 AM
expat, on 07 February 2012 - 07:19 PM, said:
Hi
the real interesting point comes,if he points the people in the wrong direction
this can happen all the time,but only a small percentage then real steps in the fire as leaders
delegating the responsibility is then a common practice
best regards
expat
the real interesting point comes,if he points the people in the wrong direction
this can happen all the time,but only a small percentage then real steps in the fire as leaders
delegating the responsibility is then a common practice
best regards
expat
Dear Expat,
I stated the REAL Leader, not a leader
Best regards
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Posted 08 February 2012 - 09:23 AM
Dear Mr. Hartley
thanks for explaining, found a lot of leaders in my career, which are great,when the sun shines..
best regards
expat
thanks for explaining, found a lot of leaders in my career, which are great,when the sun shines..
best regards
expat
ChristopherHartley, on 08 February 2012 - 08:12 AM, said:
Dear Expat,
I stated the REAL Leader, not a leader
Best regards
I stated the REAL Leader, not a leader
Best regards
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