[B52]

Does any one know what the contracts are like in the middle east? Are they still 2 year contracts? What happens if you break the contract before 2 yrs.
P.s I am looking for NightClub/ Bar Manager Positions.

[expat]

Hi
you are covering with the question a very large area....from egypt to yemen. Generally,most comps in Emirates etc use two years contracts,if the others here agree,in egypt its one year
normally,the benefits are set or negotiated through the hiring process
open contracts very rarely and even then breaking before 2 years puts you in bad standing,and in some countries can bring you a ban
HH will also be angry towards you, as he has to replace you(at least within the first year) and has to bear the expences
lets see,what others say
best regards
expat

B52, on 19 April 2012 - 04:35 PM, said:

Does any one know what the contracts are like in the middle east? Are they still 2 year contracts? What happens if you break the contract before 2 yrs.
P.s I am looking for NightClub/ Bar Manager Positions.

[ChristopherHartley]

Dear B52,
First of all your choices in the Middle East are severely restricted in night clubs as many middle east countries will be ruled out leaving probably only Abu Dhabi and Dubai.
Contracts are normally for two years with 90 days probation at the beginning; however all contracts will have a get out clause of one to three months notice from either party.
Gulf countries alo pay indemnity based on one month for every year for GM's FC's etc, and 15 days per year for other positions rising to one month after five years.
Also check your terminology there is the Middle East and then MENA Region (Middle East & North Africa).
Best of luck in your search.

Christopher J Hartley FIH

[expat]

Dear Mr Hartley
indemnity is rarely given any more,the times are more or less over,only to top executive managers with good negtiation skills,was already 2001 past history in abu dhabi emirate,but maybe other countries as kuwait still stick to it
best regards
expat

ChristopherHartley, on 20 April 2012 - 07:13 AM, said:

Dear B52,
First of all your choices in the Middle East are severely restricted in night clubs as many middle east countries will be ruled out leaving probably only Abu Dhabi and Dubai.
Contracts are normally for two years with 90 days probation at the beginning; however all contracts will have a get out clause of one to three months notice from either party.
Gulf countries alo pay indemnity based on one month for every year for GM's FC's etc, and 15 days per year for other positions rising to one month after five years.
Also check your terminology there is the Middle East and then MENA Region (Middle East & North Africa).
Best of luck in your search.

Christopher J Hartley FIH

This post has been edited by expat: 22 April 2012 - 05:32 PM

[expat]

Dear Mr Hartley
indemnity is rarely given any more,the times are more or less over,only to top executive managers with good negtiation skills,was already 2001 pat history in abu dhabi emirate,but maybe other countries as kuwait still stick to it
best regards
expat

ChristopherHartley, on 20 April 2012 - 07:13 AM, said:

Dear B52,
First of all your choices in the Middle East are severely restricted in night clubs as many middle east countries will be ruled out leaving probably only Abu Dhabi and Dubai.
Contracts are normally for two years with 90 days probation at the beginning; however all contracts will have a get out clause of one to three months notice from either party.
Gulf countries alo pay indemnity based on one month for every year for GM's FC's etc, and 15 days per year for other positions rising to one month after five years.
Also check your terminology there is the Middle East and then MENA Region (Middle East & North Africa).
Best of luck in your search.

Christopher J Hartley FIH

[ChristopherHartley]

Dear Expat,

Kuwait and the gulf still give indemnity by law.

My wife andy I retired at the end of December last year after 8 years.

I received 8 months indemnity (one month for every year).

My wife received 15 days per month for the first five years and then one month per year, a total of 5.5 months.

The indemnity also includes all benefits i.e. value of accommodation, medical etc.

In Egypt I doubt even if it was law that they would pay.

Best regards

Chris Hartley

[expat]

Dear Mr. Hartley
thanks for answering
worked in the emirates without this clause,but it may be installed in higher ranks.
nowhere in egypt this option is implemented,could be,that international chains as hilton,four seasons etc give it to long standing employees in key positions,but on a good will status
my best regards
expat

[ChristopherHartley]

Dear Expat,

In answer to your question below is the actual indemnity clause defined in the Kuwait Labour Laws of 2010.

The legal indemnity is 15 days per month for the first five years and then 30 days per month.

Some position such as GM's, FC's and senior corporate staff in Kuwait receive 30 days per year from the commencement of contract but this is agreed between employer and employee.

This indemnity is paid to all employees from the bottom up.

I am also reliably informed that it is also GCC law adhered to by the GCC states.

Probably when you were in the Gulf it fell through the cracks.

1. The End of Service Indemnity and its Calculation
Kuwait’s Law No. 6 of 2010 promulgating the Law of Labour in the Private Sector (the “Labour Law”) regulates all employer-employee relationships in Kuwait and applies to workers in the private sector. End-of-service indemnities for employees paid on a monthly basis are determined in Article 51 of the Labour Law by calculating 15 days’ remuneration for each of the first five years of service and one (1) month’s remuneration for each of the following years, provided that the total amount of the indemnity does not exceed the remuneration of one year and a half. Employees who are paid on daily, weekly, hourly or piecework basis shall be entitled to a 10 days remuneration for each of the first five (5) years of service and fifteen (15) days remuneration for each subsequent year.
Under the new Labour Law, an employee will receive complete end-of-service indemnities
at the end of his or her contract period (if the contract is not renewed),
if the contract is terminated by the employer; or
in accordance with the provisions of the Labour Law, or
if a female employee resigns as a result of her marriage within one year from the date of her marriage.
Furthermore and in cases where the employee resigns an indefinite contract term and the period of service is not less than three (3) years and not more than five (5) years, the employee shall only be entitled to half of their end-of-service indemnities. two-thirds of their end-of-service indemnities for completing five years but not more than ten (10) years of service, and full end-of-service indemnities if their years of service exceeds more than ten (10) years.
Based on the aforementioned, the end-of-service indemnities would not likely include the period of service performed prior to the employees’ arrival in Kuwait if he/she worked in another country also for the same company.
In addition, parties to an employment contract cannot contract out of the employer’s obligation to pay end-of-service indemnities. The benefits granted under the Labour Law represent the minimum rights granted to the employees. Employers can grant employees greater rights and benefits, but not less. As such, any agreement to the contrary will be null and void without effect.

Best regards

Chris

[expat]

Dear Mr Hartley
might have been fallen throught the cracks,as you mention it,in 2003 and actually i didnt listen to anything like this during my term at the emirates for any of the staff at our property
my best regards
expat

ChristopherHartley, on 25 April 2012 - 07:36 AM, said:

Dear Expat,

In answer to your question below is the actual indemnity clause defined in the Kuwait Labour Laws of 2010.

The legal indemnity is 15 days per month for the first five years and then 30 days per month.

Some position such as GM's, FC's and senior corporate staff in Kuwait receive 30 days per year from the commencement of contract but this is agreed between employer and employee.

This indemnity is paid to all employees from the bottom up.

I am also reliably informed that it is also GCC law adhered to by the GCC states.

Probably when you were in the Gulf it fell through the cracks.

1. The End of Service Indemnity and its Calculation
Kuwait’s Law No. 6 of 2010 promulgating the Law of Labour in the Private Sector (the “Labour Law”) regulates all employer-employee relationships in Kuwait and applies to workers in the private sector. End-of-service indemnities for employees paid on a monthly basis are determined in Article 51 of the Labour Law by calculating 15 days’ remuneration for each of the first five years of service and one (1) month’s remuneration for each of the following years, provided that the total amount of the indemnity does not exceed the remuneration of one year and a half. Employees who are paid on daily, weekly, hourly or piecework basis shall be entitled to a 10 days remuneration for each of the first five (5) years of service and fifteen (15) days remuneration for each subsequent year.
Under the new Labour Law, an employee will receive complete end-of-service indemnities
at the end of his or her contract period (if the contract is not renewed),
if the contract is terminated by the employer; or
in accordance with the provisions of the Labour Law, or
if a female employee resigns as a result of her marriage within one year from the date of her marriage.
Furthermore and in cases where the employee resigns an indefinite contract term and the period of service is not less than three (3) years and not more than five (5) years, the employee shall only be entitled to half of their end-of-service indemnities. two-thirds of their end-of-service indemnities for completing five years but not more than ten (10) years of service, and full end-of-service indemnities if their years of service exceeds more than ten (10) years.
Based on the aforementioned, the end-of-service indemnities would not likely include the period of service performed prior to the employees’ arrival in Kuwait if he/she worked in another country also for the same company.
In addition, parties to an employment contract cannot contract out of the employer’s obligation to pay end-of-service indemnities. The benefits granted under the Labour Law represent the minimum rights granted to the employees. Employers can grant employees greater rights and benefits, but not less. As such, any agreement to the contrary will be null and void without effect.

Best regards

Chris